tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5179649506981851979.post4144034620149885369..comments2024-01-14T05:19:08.074-06:00Comments on Troll and Flame: The OSR (or whatever you choose to call it) Has Been RockingOutNorman J. Harman Jr.http://www.blogger.com/profile/01319655075997712313noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5179649506981851979.post-59914212873125713772010-03-20T17:19:25.102-05:002010-03-20T17:19:25.102-05:00Dude! you forgot otherworld miniatures - producing...Dude! you forgot otherworld miniatures - producing old-school minis for the OSR - and going from strength to strength.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5179649506981851979.post-17592210133141898092010-03-09T10:09:09.937-06:002010-03-09T10:09:09.937-06:00Thanks Chgowiz and Carl for saving me from having ...Thanks Chgowiz and Carl for saving me from having to look up links. Nick, it was Chgowiz play reports and my own experience at running games at FLGS/in public always attracts new players that formed basis of claim TARGA has gotten (more) people out playing games.<br /><br />Also, I guess it depends on what you read cause in stark contrast to your perspective "slightly overstates the importance of the OSR" this post was in direct response to the many times I've seen claims that the OSR has done nothing and/or is nothing more than a few old dudes struggling to reclaim their youth or bunch of do nothing bloggers, that it's not commercially viable, and similar FUD.<br /><br />As far as taking away from other RPG's. Only the most casual gamers I know play one RPG. I've just bought that $100 WHFRP game (for $50 on ebay, rock!), my friend buys tons of WoTC mini's and many 4ed, a 2ed DM I know bought 3.x stuff for ideas and reference.<br /><br /><br />Finally, It's not an US vs THEM thing. It doesn't matter what get's you in the door, as long as you stick around and have fun <b>Growing the hobby, is growing the hobby. It is good for everyone.</b>Norman J. Harman Jr.https://www.blogger.com/profile/01319655075997712313noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5179649506981851979.post-55949533990889400362010-03-09T06:16:59.288-06:002010-03-09T06:16:59.288-06:00@Carl
One could be claims like this post which, to...@Carl<br /><i>One could be claims like this post which, to my mind, slightly overstates the importance of the OSR. </i><br /><br />I see nothing wrong in saying "Hey, we did good! That's awesome!" Why is that a bad thing?<br /><br /><i>The second could be that the OSR seems to revel in taking players from other RPGs. </i><br /><br />I guess I don't see it as much of "taking players away" as it is "showing people there are alternatives to $100 board games and RPGs that are still fun and valid."<br /><br />If they choose to abandon their existing version, that's their choice. If they do both, that's their choice. No skin off of my back, as I'm playing what I like, how I like it. It's the D&D for me. <br /><br />I'd also like to point out that such generalizations aren't exactly fair.Michael S/Chgowizhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02052820400496340137noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5179649506981851979.post-88638042625843992722010-03-08T23:57:26.312-06:002010-03-08T23:57:26.312-06:00@Chgowiz - I'd never heard of TARGA till now s...@Chgowiz - I'd never heard of TARGA till now so there's no hostility just curiosity. The hostility may come from two things (I'm not saying either are true). One could be claims like this post which, to my mind, slightly overstates the importance of the OSR. The second could be that the OSR seems to revel in taking players from other RPGs. <br />But there's certainly no harm in doing something and having fun doing so.<br /><br />I'm a disgruntled 3e player myself and I'd happily play in a retro clone (I'm in Singapore and don't know of any going) but I'm, always a little suspicious of 'movements'. I went with other games rather than old school ones when I gave up D&D (mostly WFRP)<br /><br />@Carl - that's awesome!Nickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07151421349574401246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5179649506981851979.post-81842682609926971032010-03-08T22:10:14.562-06:002010-03-08T22:10:14.562-06:00One more data point - my mutant future campaign ha...One more data point - my mutant future campaign has introduced 9 brand new players to tabletop RPGs. I would never have even heard of Mutant Futurew were it not for James Mal's review of it at his old school blog Grognardia. Mutant Future introduced me to Labyrinth Lord, which I in turn showed one of the players in my group (Carter of Carter's Cartopia blog) who has since started his own LL game... introducing several more total newbies to the hobby.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07648499022366444265noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5179649506981851979.post-72998135073113438722010-03-08T21:01:53.228-06:002010-03-08T21:01:53.228-06:00@Nick - speaking for myself, my November TARGA gam...@Nick - speaking for myself, my November TARGA game brought 4 people into an OD&D game and none are on the Intertubes or involved in the OSR. Same with the OD&D game I ran at Gameday - none were associated with the OSR. I know at least half of the people going to the B2 marathon I'm running on ITGW are not affiliated with existing old school games/campaigns or the blogosphere.<br /><br />More importantly, the point is that we're trying, we're starting somewhere and there's no harm in trying. I'm curious why such negativity exists at TARGA. Would you care to share why?<br /><br />One final data point, you might be interested in going back last year on my blog to see where I ran a volunteer non-scientific but informative survey that showed that the vast majority of people who were switching to old school games/retroclones self-identified as disgruntled 3e players.Michael S/Chgowizhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02052820400496340137noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5179649506981851979.post-12743331931363324992010-03-08T19:06:56.872-06:002010-03-08T19:06:56.872-06:00Hi Norman,
Just out of interest which games that ...Hi Norman,<br /><br />Just out of interest which games that TARGA have organised are verifiable increases in the number of games being played? I see 4 games listed and none look like huge newbie fests.<br /><br />I'm sure the old school stuff has brought back some gamers but mostly what I see is a vibrant community talking to itself. I don't see any evidence of more people playing games, compared to the evidence we saw of more people playing games when D&D 3e came out. Unless the goal is actually 'getting more people playing OLD SCHOOL games" in which case I'm sure more people are, if only because rule sets are available.Nickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07151421349574401246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5179649506981851979.post-4414840145341811262010-03-08T18:21:32.242-06:002010-03-08T18:21:32.242-06:00Lots of good stuff out there.Lots of good stuff out there.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13457050225967190052noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5179649506981851979.post-45465546969439467962010-03-08T17:27:09.116-06:002010-03-08T17:27:09.116-06:00Slow day at the WOTC forums.Slow day at the WOTC forums.Aaron E. Steelehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07789462075611254929noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5179649506981851979.post-61974275101932271662010-03-08T15:09:31.770-06:002010-03-08T15:09:31.770-06:00@Anonymous - I question the worth of responding to...@Anonymous - I question the worth of responding to your pathetic troll, but...<br /><br />The hobby is people playing games. <a href="http://www.traditionalgaming.org/targa-itgw-2010.html>TARGA's ITGW</a> has caused games to be run that wouldn't otherwise. That is growth.<br /><br />Go be a loser somewhere else.Norman J. Harman Jr.https://www.blogger.com/profile/01319655075997712313noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5179649506981851979.post-11450172289563434592010-03-08T14:46:27.820-06:002010-03-08T14:46:27.820-06:00Much ado about nothing, it seems.
TARGA does not &...Much ado about nothing, it seems.<br />TARGA does not "grow" a hobby, how self-delusional.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5179649506981851979.post-50257659006535367922010-03-08T14:41:29.551-06:002010-03-08T14:41:29.551-06:00Dang. That ain't bad.Dang. That ain't bad.Nataliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15528192783751011497noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5179649506981851979.post-82090813017229976912010-03-08T13:36:36.087-06:002010-03-08T13:36:36.087-06:00Awesome indeed!Awesome indeed!Jameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08192212467523179768noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5179649506981851979.post-89274642143562492882010-03-08T11:51:15.017-06:002010-03-08T11:51:15.017-06:00Great post! I can tell you for a fact that I don&...Great post! I can tell you for a fact that I don't think NTRPG Con would exist in it's present form if not for the huge strides in the OSR these last few years. I'm more excited about gaming now than any point in the last 15 years or so!Badmikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06199830751033032585noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5179649506981851979.post-51497796299143393942010-03-08T08:38:08.626-06:002010-03-08T08:38:08.626-06:00When you put it all together like that, that's...When you put it all together like that, that's pretty freakin' awesome!Michael S/Chgowizhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02052820400496340137noreply@blogger.com