tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5179649506981851979.post58571663590450108..comments2024-01-14T05:19:08.074-06:00Comments on Troll and Flame: Hasbro's no PDF is attempt to Squash Old-School?Norman J. Harman Jr.http://www.blogger.com/profile/01319655075997712313noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5179649506981851979.post-33257792936776431272009-06-11T03:53:56.860-05:002009-06-11T03:53:56.860-05:00@Dar
I can't find them. Only thing listed un...@Dar<br /><br />I can't find them. Only thing listed under Classic Downloads is 2.x -> 3.x conversion manual<br /><br />Still have 3.x FAQs up http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/faq and this http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/archives<br /><br />Ah, found'm http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/dnd/downloads <br /><br />So, good point! Maybe head doesn't know what hands are doing and/or their really gearing up to do their own digital distribution in house like Tom suggested. I'm sure given their track record with online endeavors that will be a winner.<br /><br />Nice! Their idea of D&D "community" is their Gleemax forums and their staff blogs.<br /><br /><br />Regarding threat of alternatives to WotC D&D. Goodman Games, a huge publisher has released <a href="http://www.goodman-games.com/4375preview.html" rel="nofollow">several</a> <a href="http://www.goodman-games.com/4385preview.html" rel="nofollow">old school</a> products and is licensing DCC series for release as <a href="http://trollandflame.blogspot.com/2009/06/goodman-games-dcc-line-to-be.html" rel="nofollow">1ed AD&D modules</a>.<br /><br />Fight On! being number 1 Lulu item in March. One of two old school print mags, how many does 4ed have? C&C is in it's 4th printing. Old ass titles Judges Guild, Arduin are being resurrected. Several other publishers commercially releasing old-school stuff. didn't one of the retro clones get in game store distribution deal.<br /><br />In fact so much old-school commercialization going on it's depressing me (money == beginning of end as far as I'm concerned).<br /><br />Green Ronin, previous publisher of metric tons of D&D stuff. Don't see a lot of 4ed from them. Instead I see a lot of highly praised alternatives <a href="http://greenronin.com/store/" rel="nofollow">True20, Songs of Fire and Ice, M&M with S&S adaption</a>.<br /><br />And Pazio, previous publisher of Dragon and Dungeon including hugely popular pathfinder adventures, creating a game under same name. Nah, I'm sure totally under Hasbro's radar.<br /><br />Unless, Hasbro correct's course I predict 4ed will be viewed as the start of the end of WotC's dominance of the Fantasy RPG Industry.Norman J. Harman Jr.https://www.blogger.com/profile/01319655075997712313noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5179649506981851979.post-30414048806615022512009-06-10T21:08:14.435-05:002009-06-10T21:08:14.435-05:00Are the many free old school modules still up on t...Are the many free old school modules still up on their site? Last I checked they were.<br /><br />Killing old school, in my mind, would mean pulling those down too.davehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02095342572848900592noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5179649506981851979.post-14027262251342945032009-06-09T10:07:08.117-05:002009-06-09T10:07:08.117-05:00I'd be surprised if WotC or Hasbro gave a flyi...I'd be surprised if WotC or Hasbro gave a flying fuck about the "old-school renaissance", and I have never seen any convincing numbers to back up the wild-bearded idea that gamers are "flocking to pathfinder and retro-clones". Wanting something to be true does not make it so.<br /><br />The official pdf explanation is BS, of course. Pirated pdf's remain as ubiquitous and available as before, should you want such a thing. Taking down the licensing is about money and centralizing their online initiatives. Why allow others to sell something that you can sell yourself?Jeremy Murphyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17072164588443858336noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5179649506981851979.post-2802431083477306032009-06-09T09:14:11.863-05:002009-06-09T09:14:11.863-05:00I find it hard to believe that gamer are "flo...I find it hard to believe that gamer are "flocking" to old school games; downloads are not a measurement. I've downloaded all the clones and pathfinder just to check them out, since they are free. I have no plans to ever play them or spend money on them, no offense to any who disagree.<br /><br />I think the OSR is an online aberration, and hardly a blip on Hasbro's radar.<br /><br />Now regarding piracy of PDFs, yes I agree WOTC's claim is BS. This was more likely a move to bring profits from digital distribution in house.Tomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03192316280629844659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5179649506981851979.post-35299893043270678512009-06-09T08:29:45.314-05:002009-06-09T08:29:45.314-05:00It's true that the revenue gained/lost for pdf...It's true that the revenue gained/lost for pdfs for the prior editions were probably nothing more than rounding error on their balance sheet, but that's not the way to look at it. It didn't require a meeting of the board to kill the entire program, which was basically the brainchild of one former WotC employee who did the scans in the first place. It just takes he decision of one suit in middle management to say "We're about selling 4e; yank the licenses by the end of business today." If anyone even mentioned the goodwill of fans to him, I'm sure he just said people who buy those aren't our target market.Joshua Macyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10838733328132877699noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5179649506981851979.post-73099769940431009172009-06-09T07:58:21.353-05:002009-06-09T07:58:21.353-05:00Meh. Somewhere down the line I'm sure it'...Meh. Somewhere down the line I'm sure it's about financial choices... but IMO the whole nerd-rage that gets tossed around about this is a tempest in a barbie's teacup. Part of me doubts that the old school renaissance is even big enough for the corporate entity of Hasbro to actually notice....<br /><br />I don't know that there are hard numbers to support a claim of "Flocking" to anything, much less free retro clones. You can lay a claim to it with Pathfinder, but have to keep in mind a free Beta download isn't necessarily indicative of how many people will buy the game in the end. And retro clones? Maybe if you consider the blogging community as representative of the whole of gaming. But I don't, really, think it is.<br /><br />I agree that their attempts at policing pirate pdfs will fail. And I agree that for the online community this is a particularly galvanizing sore spot... but there are plenty of people who don't care. <br /><br />And BTW, something about your page is freaking out my FireFox and I had to load up IE to actually type this out.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com